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Court Papers of John Elliott

August 23rd, 2007 by John Baldwin

Here’s  an email message from cousin Donna Jean Glascow:

John Elliott Trial Proceedings Newsletter

Hi all you Solomon Baldwin/Sarah Elliott descendants!  I finally got my hands on the court records of John Elliott.  I was hoping it would give some details of the circumstances surrounding the murder, but it did not.  But nevertheless, it is a helpful document to have in your records.  It names friends of John Elliott who helped put up his bail money.

As far as the Maness heritage goes, I have (from the comfort of my own computer, of course) left no stone unturned in looking for a Maness/Baldwin or even Lawson/Baldwin connection, and I have found none.

I am intrigued by the names of John Wesley and Alexander that crop up in both Isham Maness (the one who drowned in the Clinch River) and Solomon Baldwin’s descendants.  Of course, lots of people were naming their children John Wesley in those days, particularly if they were Methodists.  I would guess that folks in that SE Virginia/Kentucky region did not start naming their children John Wesley until after Francis Asbury arrived in 1771, but the name may have caught on, kind of like the name “Lorenzo Dow” did, to later become commonplace whether the people were Methodists or not.  If Solomon Baldwin was Regular Baptist preacher like we think, why name a son John Wesley?  Would it make sense for Solomon to name a son (Alexander) after a half-brother by a father who obviously did not raise him?

It seems to me that somehow Isham Maness is the most likely candidate to be Solomon Baldwin’s father.  The name Isham (pronounced Isom, with a silent “h” as in graham), is originally an English surname and began in the locality of the River Ise in England (ham as in Birmingham, meaning hamlet or town).  The surname Maness in all its spellings could very well be Irish as in McManus, and I have found that to be fairly common in Ireland, but I have yet to find an Isham as a forename in Ireland.  That would suggest that if Isham Manes were Irish, that his family were at least not fresh Irish immigrants in the late 1700s.

I have certainly let my imagination run away with me, but have not found any documentation anywhere.  I have way more questions than answers, but now I am “stucker” than I was when Solomon was a Baldwin!

I just wanted to let you all know that because I have not written anything on this subject or corresponded lately, I have not let the matter rest.  I have spent literally hours poring over every scrap of information I can glean.  I just thought I’d shake the tree a little bit!

Have any of you had any luck at all?

Cheers,

Donna Jean Glasgow

Descendant of Matilda Baldwin

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Baldwin Family Reunion

May 23rd, 2007 by John Baldwin

Several Baldwin cousins have agreed to meet in the Kitts Hill, OH area July 12 - 14, 2007. For some of us this will be the first time we have met. For others, it’s been a long time since we’ve seen each other.

Roy Haas suggests:

I suggest all of you reserve a room at Wheelersburg Comfort Inn at 8266 Ohio River Road in Wheelersburg.  Phone 740-574-1046.  This motel is about 15 miles from Kitts Hill but it is a good location with plenty of eating places within walking distance.  The motels closer to Ironton are not well located and not as modern.

I suggest we meet on Thursday at the motel to make plans to satisfy each of our wants and lay out a loose schedule for the 3 days.

Other suggestions:

Visit Hecla Cemetery and Kitts Hill Mamre Cemetery and Church.

Tour the Ironton area. Visit any Baldwin relatives available.  I will send email to those on my list but I do not expect a great response.  You should do the same if you have Baldwin contacts in or near Ironton.

Bring any pictures of the family you have.

Bring a lap top pc if you have one as we will probably want to share stories.

Bring a camera.

Please pass the word to any and all Baldwin cousins about this reunion.

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DNA Mystery submitted to PBS’s History Detectives TV Show

March 17th, 2007 by John Baldwin

Have you heard of the great PBS show History Detectives? They solve seemingly impossible historical mysteries - mysteries like our family surname DNA conundrum. I submitted a story idea to the show (per below). I’ll keep you all posted if anything develops.

Here is the story idea submitted to the show:

This is a story about routine genealogy research that has become anything but routine through modern DNA science revelations. It??s a story about families with hundreds of members who thought they were one surname but who indeed are another surname all together. It??s a story that is still steeped in mystery, a mystery that we would like to have solved.

As you know, the male Y chromosome passes as a sort of family brand ??bar code stamp?? from father to son. This fact allows for genetic relationships (in the male line) to extend far back in time tens of thousands of years. Now, present day family trees are being supplemented with the indisputable hard evidence of DNA test results. So, not only is DNA being used to solve crimes, it is also being applied to genealogy research.

While looking for the ancestors of my GG Grandfather Solomon Baldwin of Floyd County, KY, I was asked and I agreed to participate in a Baldwin Family DNA Project. I received the test kit from Family Tree DNA (http://www.familytreedna.com) and sent my samples back for processing. I participated at the 37-marker level (more genetic markers reveal closer matches to modern ancestors). Processing DNA samples takes time 4-6 weeks. After I received the 37 marker test results, and using the FTDNA web site tools, I was able to look at the closest matches to my DNA. Of the 250+ samples (with more being added each week) that closely or exactly matched my DNA, none were Baldwin. Instead, the surname Manes/Maness/Maynor/Lawson matched perfectly.

Needless to say I was stunned. Since I am a Baldwin male my DNA represents the male Baldwin DNA far back in time. Since there were no Baldwin surname DNA matches but instead exact Maness/Lawson family matches one can only conclude that the true origin of Solomon and his descendents was as a Manes/Maness/Maynor/Lawson.

A cousin who also is a direct descendent of Solomon Baldwin submitted a second DNA sample. His results matched mine confirming the Maness/Lawson relationships.

This startling fact will cause us to reconsider not only who Solomon really was but also who we, as Baldwin family members, really are. Culturally of course we are Baldwin??s. But, now, we must contend with the new fact that we are genetically Maness or Lawson.

The questions we (the members of the Lawson, Maness, and Baldwin families) await answers to include: How did Solomon come to adopt the Baldwin surname? Who were his parents and where was he born? When, where, and how did the surname switch happen (for the Baldwin??s, for the Lawson??s, and the Maness??s)? What about the Maness and Lawson families? Are we all Lawson or Maness? Is there a recent common ancestor for our families?

My daughter is interested in this project. See below:

My name is Harmony Starr with the Genetic Science Learning Center at the University of Utah. I am John R. Baldwin??s daughter and have been following what he has been learning from the molecular genealogy work he has been doing. I am interested in producing a documentary film following my father??s experiences. Coincidentally, the Genetic Science Learning Center is producing a module for the website: Learn,Genetics about this very topic this year. This module will educate visitors on what molecular genealogy is, the type of data that is utilized and how to interpret it. The primary audience for the module will be high school students and teachers. However, our website is also heavily visited by members of the adult public. The Learn.Genetics website is the most widely disseminated genetics education website in the world. Peak usage in 2006 has been over 602,000 visits/month from 160 countries. This film would be a great opportunity to show visitors a real-life ??textbook? example of what one can learn via the molecular genealogy experience. The film would be mounted on the website but I anticipate that it could also be entered into documentary film festivals. My ultimate goal would be to send the film to Sundance. This is a compelling story that goes beyond the science of DNA and follows the journey of a family line as they learn their true origins. I can??t wait to get started. Next week I will be sending my father a web cam to record video journals as he does his work over e-mail or has thoughts to share. I will also be sending him a small digital video camera, tapes and a tripod to record any in-person visits he conducts.

Some reference links:
Maness DNA Project
http://manessdnaproject.home.comcast.net/

Baldwin DNA Blog
http://dev.thf.net/

The Genetic Science Learning Center
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/

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Reference: John Elliott Indictment for Murder of Eli McLaughlin

March 8th, 2007 by John Baldwin

From Roy Haas: A friend sent me excerpts from court records of Russell Co. VA regarding John??s indictment and conviction for murder of a Mc Laughlin in 1816. He served 9 years, it seems. I wonder what the poem written in prison meant when referring to Elliott?

Click Here: Reference Link

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Tim Baldwin reports his results - and they match!

March 4th, 2007 by John Baldwin

In order to confirm that my gg grandfather Solomon Baldwin was not a genetic Baldwin and that, as a consequence, none of his descendants (and possibly even some of his ancestors) are not genetic Baldwin’s, we had to find another direct line descendant of Solomon’s and submit another unique DNA sample. My cousin Tim Baldwin (descending from one of the sons of Solomon - Alexander) submitted a sample in January.

The 12, 25 and 37 marker samples have been returned to Tim and they are a perfect match with my sample markers. Tim is joining several FTDNA projects including the Baldwin and Maness projects.

This is exciting news. Now we can say with certainty that all male Baldwin’s who descended directly from Solomon are not genetic Baldwin’s. We are likely either Maness (or Manes, or Maynor) or Lawson. Thus, the hunt begins for our true genetic heritage and origins.

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When DNA doesn’t match with others of your last name

February 12th, 2007 by John Baldwin

Here is a great email from the administrator of the Cumberland Gap Y-line DNA group - Roberta Estes. She makes some great points about discovery of ancestors with a surname different than the one you were born with. And, this is a wonderful history lesson of the Cumberland Gap area.
Here you go:
Some folks have asked me how this information is relevant to them if they don’t have any surname matches within the project?  People already knew they matched those with the same surname because they are in the same surname project.

First, not everyone wants to join a surname project, for whatever reason.  They can join a regional project like the Gap project and you can still match against them.

However, the real reason I started the Cumberland Gap project is so that people with different surnames but that lived in the same geographic area could see who they match.  Let’s face it, the girl next door was much more likely to have a child with the boy next door than with the boy in the next county.  Generally speaking, people who knew each other well enough to make children lived close together.  If you didn’t have the opportunity to get to know someone, you very likely weren’t going to have children by then, inside or outside of wedlock.

I was reading an old newspaper from Claiborne County from the late 1800s and ran across a tiny little snippet quite by accident.  It was talking about a boy who was bound out to a farmer.  No one remembered quite what happened to his parents, but they likely died, as the frontier life was very difficult and their medical needs were often unmet (by modern standards).  However, the boy took the last name of the man he was bound to and who raised him.  This was not an uncommon practice on the frontier, and the Cumberland Gap area was frontier from the time is was sporadically settled in the 1770s until the mid 1850s.  Land grants were still regularly issued in the 1860s, up to the Civil War for unoccupied land, and some as late as the 1900s.  Often children were taken and raised by relatives of those who died, and if there were no relatives available, they were raised by another family.  Raising an extra child really wasn’t a burden as they could provide much needed labor as they grew.

So what do you do if your DNA doesn’t match with others of your last name, and what does it mean?  It means that there is an undocumented adoption someplace along the line.  Often, if you can find the records, if they still exist, you’ll find that the circumstances are something like I described above.  Given the number of wars that the men of the Cumberland Gap area participated in, some of which were fought on their home ground, it’s not surprising to find children fathered by marauding troops.  Additionally, women who had children outside of wedlock gave the child their name, including widows who had children after their husband’s died.  Those children would have the former husband’s last name.  Sometimes women were married early and the husband died young.  The widow remarried and often the children took their step-father’s name as their own.

Women in the Cumberland Gap area seemed to be a very independent sort and sometimes they had children before they were married. When the mother married, those children often simply took their step-father’s name as well.  Many, if not most of the Cumberland Gap families have oral histories of Cherokee female ancestors.  The Cherokees were a matrilineal clan, and the husband was only the husband until the wife put his things outside their home.  That was a divorce.  If the woman chose never to “marry”, that was fine in that culture.  I wonder if the high incidence of births outside of marriage is influenced by the Cherokee maternal culture.

And as the final topic for today, what can I learn about my heritage if there are no matches to my surname, or by other surnames that I match?  First, as I’m sure you all know, the more markers that you have tested, and the more you match, the “better” the match is, meaning the more closely in time you are actually related.

Sometimes you are related, but you are not related since the advent of last names.  I call this anthro-genealogy, because it falls between genealogy and the deep ancestry called anthropology.  However, if you are trying to learn about your own family history, remember that people most often migrated in groups.  This is true for as far back as history takes us.  No matter where you were going, you would need help and family gives us the security of knowing we are not alone.

Most of the early settlers in the Cumberland Gap area were of Scots-Irish descent.  As a short history lesson, the Scots (or Scotch) Irish were a displaced people from the lowlands of Scotland to the area of Ulster in Ireland when England ruled Ireland in the early 1600s.  This is known as the Ulster Plantation Era.  In 1717, a famine combined with huge rental increases and increased pressure to convert from being Presbyterian to being Anglican, the Church of England spurred the first wave of immigration of the Scottish people living in Ireland to the colonies.  Even though they had been living in Ireland more than 100 years, they still thought of themselves at Scots, hence the name Scotch-Irish.

The Scottish clans were made up men of the same surname, but also others living in the same proximity.  So you could be a Mann in the Gunn clan for example.  Many simply adopted the last name of the clan whose protection they fell under.  This era was the beginning of last names for the common people, and explains why we find so many different DNA lines within the same “clan”.

The Scotch-Irish were not the only people seeking a new land.  The Protestant French Huguenots who survived St. Bartholomew’s Massacre in 1652 and who were not burned at the stake for being “heretics” were given 20 days to leave France under penalty of death by the Catholic government.  They also became a displaced people and migrated heavily to Germany, the lowlands (Netherlands, Belgium, Flanders) and to England.  They too immigrated to the colonies early, forming Manakin Town in early Tidewater Virginia in the 1600s.

Another persecuted group were the Amish, Mennonite and Brethren, all pietist sects, opposed to violence in any form, including self-defense.  They were driven from Switzerland, then from Germany.

The peace-loving Quakers were being purged from England and they too sought refuge in the colonies.

The commonality between all of these groups is that they all departed from the old country to the colonies through ports of Great Britain.  The Colonies were a British holding and all immigration was regulated by England in one form or another.  Before 1738, Pennsylvania was run by the proprietor William Penn and he was the only colonial proprietor who would tolerate religious freedom.  In fact, he actively encouraged these groups to settle in his colony as he needed settlers to clear the woods and to provide a buffer against the “savage Indians” who were understandably unhappy about the encroachment upon their lands.

In 1738, Virginia enacted the Religions Toleration act passed to encourage settlement in Virginia by deferring taxes for 10 years and providing settlers with a musket and very cheap land.  In one case, the Presbyterians (Scotch-Irish) were provided with a 10,000 acre land grant.  Settlers began pouring across the boundary between Pennsylvania and Virginia for free, or nearly free land.  Again, they often migrated in groups.

As soon as (and sometimes before) the land west of the Alleghenys and Appalachians was open, the settlers were there, often initially as squatters, then as land owners.  People poured into the current Virginia counties of Augusta, Orange, Botetourt, Washington and Rockingham and then the settlers streamed on down the valleys into what would eventually become East Tennessee.  I’m sure we are all familiar with the history of this area, that is was initially North Carolina, then Virginia, then the State of Franklin, then North Carolina again, then Tennessee.  The boundary lines were also in dispute, and many who thought they lived in Virginia in fact did not.  It’s no small wonder that very few records of this timeframe exist, and those that do are widely scattered among various counties and states.

Why does all of this matter to you, as a genealogist, if you are trying to find your roots?  We are often very quick to dismiss matches with people of different surnames.  However, looking at the patterns of those surnames can provide us very valuable clues to the history of our own family before the advent of surnames.  Where are those people who we match from?  Why did they come to the states, and when?  What was their migration path both in the old country and in the colonies?  All of these subtle clues together help us determine the history of our own family, often long before last names were adopted or assigned.  Don’t quickly dismiss matches to other surnames.  Ponder the possibilities.  Knowing that the Cumberland Gap area was heavily populated with the Scotch Irish first, along with the French Huguenots, some German groups, a few Quakers and some English from the Virginia shoreline colonies, what can those matches tell you about your early ancestry?

Best of luck with your genealogy, and please, let me know of any success stories generated from the Cumberland Gap project.

Roberta Estes

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DNA Observations

January 27th, 2007 by Mitch

Howdy Folks,

Please let me share some observations on my Mitchell DNA results. First of all, I am certainly no expert on this stuff. In fact, I’m probably more confused about this than most people. It seems to me that it is very important to realize up front that these Y-DNA results go back a long, long way… before surnames. I have about 150 close matches, 23/25 or 24 out of 25 markers. Only 2 are Mitchells. Many Dougherty’s, Byrnes, Brennan and others. Fortunately, I am one of those King Niall (lived around 450 CE) descendants and a lot has been written about these folks lately. This family, tribe, clan split up over the centuries and took different surnames…Mitchell, Melville, Mulvihill, Brennan and probably Dougherty and Byrnes and many, many others. My grandfathers probably didn’t start using the name Mitchell until the 1500, 1600s. I only know that we were Mitchells in America since 1793. My point is maybe these Manus matches go back 1000, 1500 years. We really can’t say when Solomon Baldwin’s grandfathers starting using the Baldwin name. At least not yet. These DNA results put us in a family much, much bigger than I ever imagined. A long ago family that took dozens of surnames that we know today.

Just spinning this around in my head. Thought it might shed some light on what to expect in future results. Thanks for listening, and let’s keep searching! Mitch

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The Elliott’s of Elliott’s Risque

November 22nd, 2006 by John Baldwin

Editor’s Note: The fascinating story below is provided by Mitch Mitchell. Mitch’s Baldwin connection is through Martha Ellen Baldwin, his gr-gr grandmother, wife of Ambrose Jones, who was a Civil War soldier in the 39th Kentucky. Thanks Mitch!

While we await further results from the game changing Solomon Baldwin DNA tests, I thought I would share some of the findings outlined in the new book “Elliott’s of Elliott’s Risque” by Clarence Shepard. Mr. Shepard is 80 years old and has written several other books focused on Floyd County records. He’s been researching the Elliott’s for years. His book is two hard bound volumes totaling about 1,000 pages…much of it copies of photos. It looks like hand typed much of it. I believe he’s selling the set for $95, if I recall what I paid. He wants money orders only. His address is: 2641 Delmonte Avenue, Dayton, OH 45419-2670

These are his conclusions so far, in a nutshell:

Sarah Elliott, wife of Solomon Baldwin, is a descendant of the Elliott’s of Elliott’s Risque, which is located in Baltimore, Maryland. Sarah born about 1812 in Virginia (Russell County, most likely)

Her father was John Elliott born about 1781 in Washington County, Va, son of Michael Elliott and Mary Trim. John Elliott’s wife, mother of Sarah, is Mary “Polly” Unknown. He says he has never seen a last name or even a middle initial for her in all the years he’s been doing  research. She is always referred to as Mary or Polly. Some people claim her name was Powers, but Shepard doesn’t believe it. Has no idea where that came from. (Do any of you know?)

Shepard says our John Elliott is the same John Elliott who was charged with murder in Russell County in 1817. He apparently served some jail time, but got off easy. And here’s the cool part!

The Elliott referred to in the song below is our John Elliott! Abner Vance, while in prison awaiting trail composed a ballad, “The Vance Song or Abner Vance’s Death Ballad, which is recognized by the Southwest Virginia Folk Lore Society, as the oldest song still in existence, written west of the Blue Ridge. The whole story is on the web. Google it!

Vance Song
Green are the woods where Sandy flows,
And peace it dwelleth there;
In the valley the bear they lie secure,
The red buck roves the knobs.
But Vance no more shall Sandy behold,
Nor drink its crystal waves;
The partial judge pronounced his doom,
The hunter has found his grave.
The judge said I was an incarnate fiend,
For Elliott I tried to save;
I agreed as a juryman Elliott’s life to save,
Humanity belongs to the brave.
John Elliott left Virginia for obvious reasons, moved to Kentucky and became a Methodist minister and died in 1850. 

John Elliott’s father was Michael Elliott, born Oct 29, 1747 in Baltimore, Maryland. Michael Elliott left Maryland and apparently arrived in SW Virginia about 1782…living in Washington, Russell and Scott Counties over the years. Michael died in Scott County, Va 1823. 

Michael’s parents were James Elliott and Mary Weecks…and it appears James’ father was John Elliott. This John Elliott may have been the immigrant ancestor, but then again maybe not. First record of him is a deed in 1715 in Baltimore County, Maryland.  James Elliott was born about 1714, not sure where. Elliott’s Risque was the name of the property where the Elliott’s lived. It was part of the land owned by Lord Baltimore. There is no smoking gun link proving that John was the father of James, but there is solid circumstantial evidence linking the two. The best evidence is John Elliott’s will. John Elliott apparently got into some trouble with the church and his own wife in 1743 for cohabitating with a woman, who was married to a neighbor. John and the woman left Maryland and disappeared from the records for years. Finally in 1764 a will surfaces in Amherst County, Virginia for a John Elliott who writes, ” I give unto James Elliott of Baltimore County in Maryland all that tract of land called Elliott’s Risque.” He never says James is his son, but it sure looks that way. 

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Baldwin DNA News

November 19th, 2006 by John Baldwin

Another Solomon Baldwin direct descendant submits a DNA sample.

Tim Baldwin, a cousin who is a direct descendant of Solomon Baldwin, has submitted a DNA sample to FTDNA. And, Tim also has joined the Baldwin surname project. A second DNA sample is needed to confirm or refute the supposition that our ancestry roots are in the Maness Family and not the Baldwin Family. Tim’s DNA analyses should be complete by the end of this year.

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Baldwin DNA News

November 18th, 2006 by admin

Important Information For Descendants Of Solomon Baldwin

One of our Baldwin Family member’s participated in the Baldwin DNA Project and received an unexpected result. Read the following to learn more from John R. Baldwin, his daughter Harmony and how you can get involved.


Folks,
I am creating this Blog as a way to keep all of you informed about the progress of our new journey of determining the true origin of Solomon Baldwin and hopefully push our family history knowledge back even further in time and place. The revelations revealed through DNA analyses will will result in a great deal of our our family history being rewritten.

  • I want to personally thank Roy Haas for being our official Kentucky/Ohio Baldwin family historian. And, a special thanks to Ray Haas for setting up this Blog for us to use.

Here’s a summary of what we know so far:
As you know, the male Y chromosome passes as a sort of family brand ‘bar code stamp’ from father to son. This fact allows for genetic relationships (in the male line) to extend far back in time tens of thousands of years. Now, present day family trees are being supplemented with the indisputable hard evidence of DNA test results. So, not only is DNA being used to solve crimes, it is also being used solve family mysteries such as who was Solomon Baldwin’s ancestors.

I was asked and I agreed to participate in a Baldwin Family DNA Project about 6 weeks ago. I received the test kit from Family Tree DNA Link and sent my samples back. I participated at the 37 marker level (more genetic markers reveal closer matches to modern ancestors). Processing DNA samples takes time 4-6 weeks. This week I received the 37 marker test results. Using the FTDNA web site tools I was able to look at the closest matches to my DNA. Of the 235 samples (with more being added each week) that closely or exactly match my DNA, none were Baldwin. Instead, the surname Manes/Maness/Maynor/Lawson matched perfectly. Link To Data

Needless to say I was stunned. Since I am a Baldwin male my DNA represents the male Baldwin DNA (the Baldwin Y chromosome bar code brand) back in time as far as you can see. Since there were no Baldwin surname DNA matches but instead exact Maness family matches one can only conclude that the true origin of Solomon and his descendents was as a Manes/Maness/Maynor/Lawson. [As an aside, FTDNA reports that there is high probability that this family originated in Ireland.]

This startling fact will cause us to reconsider not only who Solomon really was but also who we, as Baldwin family members, really are. Culturally of course we are Baldwin’s. But, now, we must contend with the new fact that we are genetically Maness’es.

The questions we await answers to include: Who was Solomon? Why did he adopt the Baldwin surname? Did he know he was not a genetic Baldwin? If he did know; then, why the secret? What was his wife Sarah’s role in all of this? When and where did the surname switch happen? Is there a Melungeon connection in all this. Melungeon Link

Please forward this Blog link to any and all Baldwin cousins that you know. Advise them to contact me to get on this list.

Best Regards,
John Baldwin
John R. Baldwin
6379 N Park Ave
Indianapolis, IN 46220
Contact John

“If something is not beautiful, it is probably not true.”
John Keats


** UPDATE **

Folks,
My complete DNA results, analyses, and genealogy discussions are now complete and posted to the Maness DNA Project: My Results

I invite you take a few moments to look at the discussion as it is instructive. Look for the DNA reference 72930 on the page. Many thanks to our Baldwin Family Historian Roy Haas for providing the genealogical information used on the Maness DNA project page.

One key item in the discussion is that it is likely that the Maness (pronounced Main-ess) to Baldwin switch probably occurred one generation earlier than Solomon This finding may mean that a direct link with a common Maness ancestor will be more difficult. You will notice the Lawson surname on the project page. The Lawson’s are in the same boat as we are in that their DNA matches are Maness and not Lawson. With DNA analyses now increasing common I’ll bet family trees all over the world are being rewritten.

I contacted the Baldwin DNA Project Administrator to see if my FTDNA derived my results should remain on that site. Here is a section of what he told me:

“I give you all this detail as background, because the 7-step genetic distance that separates you from the 37-marker modal, or presumed ancestral, values for Baldwin Group 2, suggests an average of 40 generations events between him and you, but there’s still a 2% probability (like my own case) that seven mutations in a 37-marker array might occur over only 20 generations or perhaps five centuries.

With all that, your male-line relationship to a most recent common ancestor in the Maness line is considerably closer (and you should search for a possible reason in records, which are more likely to survive for more recent events), but you do have a Baldwin back there somewhere, so I hope you’ll stay with the Baldwin project, too.”

The bottom line: We are genetically connected to the Baldwin line ?? but not too close ( at least 500 years).

One of our cousins ?? Tim Baldwin (a direct Solomon descendent through one of Solomon’s children ?? Alexander) ?? is going to provide a second DNA sample. The results for his analysis should be available by the first of next year and confirm or refute our apparent genetic Maness family ancestry.

I was contacted by one of the Maness family members and invited to join three private Maness family web sites. I have joined two so far. Hopefully, with all this information (DNA and Baldwin Family Tree) now moving in new directions, we can begin to get some meaningful answers to our ancestral questions.

Again, if you know of other Baldwin cousins that would be interested in this project please feel free to pass along an invite to join this discussion list ?? just have them contact me. I am still looking for my first cousin Phil Baldwin who I lost contact with a few years ago.

John R. Baldwin
6379 N Park Ave
Indianapolis, IN 46220
317-202-0958


Links to Baldwin DNA Project Information:

FTDNA General Information:
Maness Family:
Baldwin Family Information:


November, 2006
My name is Harmony Starr with the Genetic Science Learning Center at the University of Utah. I am John R. Baldwin’s daughter and have been following what he has been learning from the molecular genealogy work he has been doing.I am interested in producing a documentary film following my father’s experiences. Coincidentally, the Genetic Science Learning Center is producing a module for the website: Learn.Genetics about this very topic this year. This module will educate visitors on what molecular genealogy is, the type of data that is utilized and how to interpret it. The primary audience for the module will be high school students and teachers. However, our website is also heavily visited by members of the adult public.The Learn.Genetics website is the most widely-disseminated genetics education website in the world. Peak usage in 2006 has been over 602,000 visits/month from 160 countries.This film would be a great opportunity to show visitors a real-life “textbook” example of what one can learn via the molecular genealogy experience. The film would be mounted on the website but I anticipate that it could also be entered into documentary film festivals. My ultimate goal would be to send the film to Sundance.This is a compelling story that goes beyond the science of DNA and follows the journey of a family line as they learn their true origins. I can’t wait to get started.Next week I will be sending my father a web cam to record video journals as he does his work over e-mail or has thoughts to share. I will also be sending him a small digital video camera, tapes and a tripod to record any in-person visits he conducts. Additionally, I will endeavor to do everything I can to fly out myself to record these events.I hope that you will choose to participate in our effort. If you have any questions, concerns or suggestions please contact me. I would love to hear from you, especially if you have ideas for furthering the film project. My contact information is below and I am almost always available during the day.Warm regards - Harmony

Harmony Starr
Art Manager
Genetic Science Learning Center
University of Utah
Phone: 206.715.9749
Skype: harmony.starr
Contact Harmony
Website Link

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